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Post edited 11:40 am – April 22, 2011 by Jim
I am a small acreage owner. A used '09 284 is available in my area (B.C.). It has 80 hours on the engine. It comes w/loader, back hoe and forks. It was used for landscaping. Owner bought a bobcat "to do heavier work". My concern is wear and tear. What should I look at to determine abuse or overworking of engine/loader/backhoe? Fair Price?
Thank you.
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April 24, 2011
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Affordable
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What overall condition is the tractor ? Is it a chinese loader and backhoe ? Was the tractor serviced ? I'm sure you can tell if it was worked hard ,or it was taken care of .I would say a tractor in good condition with a chinese loader and 80 hours 5,500.00-6,000.00 without the chinese backhoe ? I would not have been interested in but they sell new for around $ 3,000.00, Hopefully this gives you a ballpark of value
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April 24, 2011
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Bob Rooks
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Jim wrote:
My concern is wear and tear. What should I look at to determine abuse or overworking of engine/loader/backhoe?
I would not walk away, I would run.
A) It was owned by a landscaper. This ilk is notorious for abusing equipment.
B) "Owner bought Bobcat to do heavier work" means he tried like Hell to do it with the Jinma first and probably broke a few things in the process.
Sorry. 
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April 24, 2011
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Carl Darnell
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Is there a dealer you can trust to look it over and give his opinion? If your a good mechanic you should be able to see any problems yourself. I have to agree that the owner found it not up to the job and may have tried hard to make it do.
If you get it cheap enough you should be ok but I would be thinking $5000 for the tractor and maybe $1000 to $1500 for the back hoe. That is if it's all in good shape and working.
Does it look like it's been welded up? Does he have service records for it? What is he wanting for it?
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April 24, 2011
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RichWaugh
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I have to agree with Bob Rooks – landscapers are notorious for thrashing their equipment. Well, more so the employees of landscape firms than the actual owners, but the point remains that anything formerly owned by a landscape firm may well have been worked almost to death.
80 hours isn't much time at all for a professional landscaper so it is possible that the guy discovered early that it was not up to his demands and the thing hasn't been thrashed. Only looking it over closely will tell. I'd certainly ask if it was set up by a reputable dealer and if the 50 hr service has been done and exactly what was done. Ask what fluids he has in it – if he doesn't know I'd be leery of it. A guy who cares enough to know what is in his machines is more likely to have taken decent care of it.
Look closely at the pivot points and stress points of the hoe and loader – that's where abuse should show up first.
Naturally, check it out in every gear, high and low, 2wd and 4wd. Put it under load if you can and check for smoking, hesitation, loss of power. The usual, basically. And then offer half of what he's asking. 
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April 25, 2011
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Tinbender
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Post edited 8:22 am – April 25, 2011 by Tinbender
I would add check the bellhousing carefully.
Being a landscape company they may have used the loader like it was a bobcat and cracked the bellhousing, that's where the loader mounts. Go over that area with a fine tooth comb. As for the Chinese backhoe I personally would not give more than $500 for a used one, I wouldn't consider buying a new one.
Also being a landscape company if even one of the employees did not have knowledge of how to work a tractor clutch and rode it while doing loader work they probably smoked that too.
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April 25, 2011
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RichWaugh
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Good point on the clutch, Tin! That's particularly likely if the tractor wasn't set up properly by the dealer, including changing all the fluids and adjusting the clutch before sale. With a loader mounted it's impossible to see the clutch, but try8in gthe tractor out to see about clutch pedal free play, proper PTO disengagement/engagement and same for the driving clutch should provide an idea of its condition. If it feels okay and the PTO works properly then its probably okay. Fortunately, it isn't that expensive to replace, just a pain in the butt to have to split the tractor.
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