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July 23, 2011
| bouoy
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Hello,
I been
looking in to getting a tractor after a trip to a rental company. I have
tons of hard scape and land scape work that I need to do. We went to a
local rental place that sells Kobota ( not a typo) and also rents
backhoes. after a hour there we figured it would be cheaper to buy one
then rent cause the cost is out of the box. I can not see spending 15
grand for a used one with 300 hours and 5 years old. so i did some
research on the nortrac ones and found this site. The only place i found
that sells them is a ebay company called china depot. after doing some
reading I would like to find a dealer close by so i can figure if i want
to do the crate or if it's not much more have them put it together for
me so I can have support. my main question is where is a dealer near me
I'm in orange county.If any one is close to me that owns one I would
like to see one in person before I buy. Do you guys like the 28 or the
35 hp model better. I know i would like to get a FLE and a BH then add
on a mower deck in time with a PHD and a snow plow. Any information you
can pass along would be great. I'm a work from home dad with 3 kids and
not a ton of cash. I just would like to get a good deal.
Thanks in advance
Gary
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July 23, 2011
| jmayo
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Hello and welcome,
This site is full of info and has been very helpful for me as I am no a mechanical genius by any means. I was kind of in the same dilema as you a few years back, not wanting to spend a fortune on some very old used tractor. Kep looking and found the Nortracs. My understanding is that thes are Northern Tool's branded tractor. They delivered mine and I have been very happy with it. The Nortracs are really a Jinma tractor that is labeled Nortrac. It appears Northern Tool is buying from a different manufacturer the last year as their catalog shows a differnt style tractor than what I had purchased. Their website is ** you don't have permission to see this link **
When I purchased, the tractor was assembled, serviced, and delivered, all very important to me. If you have a garage and time and talent, there are less expensive routes to obtain this type of tractor. The dealer/supporters of this site seem to be very knowledgable, and perhaps they will chime in to give you more info.
I would suggest to you, that it would be good if you had some mechanical knowledge and abilities and the willingness to perform some maintenence with these tractors. I have had very little problems with mine, but things come up, and if you build a crate tractor, basically you are the dealer, and you are at the mercy of others if something goes wrong. (That is were this site is helpful.)
I have not rode my tractor real hard, but it has been worth every penny I spent on it. It is the 25hp with loader. I chose the 25 because of a tighter turning radius. I am constantly amazed at the traction and the pulling power of this tractor. However, If is were to do it again, I probably would go to a 35hp, just because.
I probably not a good source for a whole lot of info, but I am sure the other guys will show up shortly to answer more specific questions. Good luck to you.
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July 23, 2011
| Tinbender
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If you want one assembled and tested check out Ranch Hand under "our dealers" at the top of the page. Ronald and his crew assemble the tractor, adjust the clutch (very important), change all the fluids, dyno the engine and do a few other things that they know will need to be addressed sooner or later, so they do them before you get the tractor. And just my opinion, stay away from the Chinese backhoes. Look into the Koyker, LiTW or the Tomcat (Ansung) that Tommy at Affordable sells.
I'm in the great Northwest, I bought a crate tractor from Eric at Keno tractors. Luckily a good friend is an even better mechanic and I had access to a customers Body shop to assemble it. It's really not that hard to do but you will need to change the fluids, adjust the clutch and the valves as both will be out of adjustment from the factory. I could have done the job myself but having a really good mechanic sure didn't hurt.
The hardscape you will have to do with the backhoe and maybe a rear blade, an Ag tractors loader is made for scooping only, it's not a dozer! Try to scrape and grade with the loader and you WILL break something. FWIW I see Keno now has tractors with a Jinma 4 way bucket, don't know if you need that. And look into Futon tractors too, just to compare, but I'm sure happy with my Jinma 284 for what I use it for.
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July 23, 2011
| bouoy
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Thanks for the information. I don't have a problem building one since I build street rods in my spare time. i was thinking I might just go threw a dealer to get one for the less hassle. I wonder if a dealer would ship me a built one to upstate NY and what the cost would be. I know i would like to go for the larger model I figure it's better to go big then work twice as hard or mess up the machine pushing it too hard. I just can not come to terms with paying 15k for a 6 year old tractor when i can get a larger newer one for less.
I agree with what you said about not trying to use it like a dozer. I was going to use the BH to break the ground and then swing around and scoop it up. with the larger model move some good size rocks? I have a ton and tired of cutting around them.
thanks agin
Gary
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July 23, 2011
| Tinbender
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The 354 sounds better for what you want to do. The weakness with the 254/284 is it is basically a 200 (2 cyl) that was stretched to put a larger engine in, so the front axle can fail in 4WD with a load while the 354 comes with either a larger 3 cyl or a 4 cyl, and is heavier and much stronger all the way around. It also has float on the three point, the 254/284 does not. I've worked as a mechanic in the past but mostly a body and paint guy. I can build an engine or make one car out of two, and most everything in between, but it was still nice to have the best mechanic I've ever met help out. You would have no problem with a crate tractor if you want to go that route.
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July 23, 2011
| Ira Chrise
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I have the 354 and am impressed at the work it can do. There are some limitations but for the money it is well worth it. The technology is basically 1960 (standard shift) or so without hydrostatic nor shuttle benefits.
As with any front loader it helps to have some counter weight on the back to make grading and transport easier. The backhoe works well, an implement, or a counter weight.
I would recommend a frame mounted backhoe instead of the 3 point hitch style. It will prove better in the long run for more difficult digging and less danger of breaking three point hitch mounts. The frame mount BH takes about an hour or less to remove and reinstall the lift arms for three point hitch mounts.
I have a Jinma BH and I agree with the recommendation to look at another company BH. One has to remove the hydraulic pump (which mounts in a separate location than the PTO) with the backhoe and it makes more sense to get a PTO pump if you have to change from backhoe to other implements a lot.
I purchased a two bottom 16" plow to break up earth prior to grading. I also bought a used five foot rototiller that does an excellent finish job.
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July 23, 2011
| RichWaugh
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I have a 300 series Jinma I bought as a crate tractor and assembled myself. I couldn't afford the shipping on an assembled tractor since I'm in the Virgin Islands. My 304 is a very strong tractor, and far heavier than the 284. That means better traction. As for turning circle, well, it's a 4WD tractor so the turning radius is something like 20 acres. (grin)
I'll second the suggestion to check with Ronald at Ranch Hand Supply for a tractor. Ronald puts them together right and pretty near blueprints them while he does it. He dyno tests it, changes all the fluids and adjusts the clutch and valves and lots of other things. The amount he charges over the cost of a crate unit is well worth it, believe me. It took me three days to assemble and set up mine and I'm fairly well equipped with tools and some know-how. Not a tenth as much as Ronald, however.
A used brand name tractor in the 30-35 hp class with only 300 hours for $15K is not a bad deal at all. With the economy like it is you might be able to do even better if you look around.
Whatever you decide on in the way of a tractor, I would recommend *against* buying a crate tractor off of Ebay. I don't have any specific knowledge of "China Depot" but in the past many of the people selling crate tractors on Ebay and Craig's list were NOT dealers, they were just getting your money and that of a few others and then importing a container load of tractors from China. You might wait months for your tractor because they had to wait until they enough orders and then wait for the shipping and the Customs clearing. Sometimes you had to wait forever because they went out of business or just decamped with no forwarding address. Of course, this also happened with some "dealers" selling assembled tractors, too. That is definitely *not* something you would have to worry about dealing with Ranch Hand Supply. Ronald is dead honest.
Bottom line, I love my Jinma and I would recommend one. If you're not experienced with diesel tractors I'd recommend getting an assembled tractor from a reputable dealer just to have the peace of mind of knowing that it was put together right.
BTW – someone selling "Kobota" tractors is not someone I would feel good dealing with. If they can't spell it correctly they're either careless, ignorant or maybe selling a counterfeit. 
Rich
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July 24, 2011
| Len10
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Post edited 1:22 pm – July 24, 2011 by Len10
I bought a tractor form China Depot about one year ago and I couldn't be happier with both the tractor and service provided by China Depot. I have a Terra Cyclone TC254 with a backhoe and loader. I assembled it myself to save money, but China Depot does offer assembly. I'm not a mechanic and I knew nothing about hydraulics at the time. Much of what I know about tractors I've learned from this site. Terra Cyclone is made by Luzhong, not a very common brand in the U.S. but similar in design to many other Chinese tractors. The engine is made by Laidong, so parts are readily available. This is the first tractor I've ever owned or used for that mater, so I have nothing to compare it to. It has a Chinese backhoe which I am satisfied with, but again I've never used a backhoe before. If I ever try a Korean or U.S. made backhoe I might change my mind about being satisfied. My only complaint is the backhoe is connected via a 3 point hitch. I plan to fabricate a sub-frame, but I have to learn to weld first!
China Depot also sells Jinma tractors (assebled or crated). I chose the Terra Cyclone because it was so much cheaper. Before I purchased my tractor I spent months researching Chinese tractors. No other dealer could even come close to the low price I paid, although I think the price has gone up since I purchased it. China Depot is run by a father and son, and I have to say they are both great to work with. Initially I had some reservations about the low price, but there were no hidden costs and they continue to back the tractor.
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July 25, 2011
| bouoy
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Thanks for the information. I glad to see that people do jump in and help when asked for info. I have not heard alot about the Terra brand tractors. I did some research before posting this reply.I took some pictures of some of the land scape work i need to do it does not seem like alot but the house was sold to us in bad shape I have been working on redoing the inside mostly, But I would like to give it some hope to the outside. Behind the pool fence the workers tossed all the old mud and rocks. I have for 2 years tried to kill the grass in areas with no luck.
I'm still on the fence about doing a crate one since I have the skill ,But I don't have a garage and would be stuck doing it out side here. I will not be able to buy one until tax season or unless my printing equipment sells. I know I would like to start with a FEL and a BH. Then try and get a box blade so I can level the ground and just get a finishing deck. Here is a link to some of the back yard area that is a eyesore to me the orginal deck is trashed and this year I had to prop up the pool fence since it is falling down. Any tips on a good grass killer?
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Thanks
Gary
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July 25, 2011
| RichWaugh
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If it is any consolation, I built my crate tractor without a garage, or even a level piece of ground to work on. It really wasn't that difficult and I did 90% of it with no help at all. I did have some help putting the loader on and moving the rear wheels/tires into place – those suckers are heavy. If I had been working in a garage with a level floor I could have assembled it in only two days, I'm sure.
I'm not sure what the situation is where you are located, but you might be just as well off to pass on the backhoe and just rent a full-sized one when you need one. Most of the guys i know who have these small backhoes don't really use them that often and they are a bit of a chore to put on and take off. If you have the regular need for a small backhoe, then get one. But if you need one for digging basements or other deep holes, the small backhoes for the CUTs may not be up to the chore.
A grader box is a great implement to have – it will do much more than you expect and takes no great space to store when not in use. With all that bush you have there, a chipper might be a useful implement, too. I find mine very useful.
If you want to kill grass and weeds, and RoundUp won't do the job, then I suggest putting down a layer of sheetrock. After six months nothing will be alive under the sheetrock. You can often find damaged sheets of sheetrock at building material centers pretty cheaply, too. It also makes a much better weed guard under gravel than plastic sheeting does, too.
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July 25, 2011
| Len10
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In my experience Spectracide Triplestrike works much better than RoundUp. It's suppose to stop growth for up to a year, but that's wishful thinking.
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July 25, 2011
| RichWaugh
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That's good to know, Len. I'll have to try some on some persistent weeds/trees behind my shop.
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July 26, 2011
| Jeep
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I use amine 400 2,4-d weed killer It will kill what you spray it on be careful around trees you want to keep ,I use it on fence lines to keep them clean. Jeep
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July 29, 2011
| ireland2
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Hudson Forest Equipment, Barnsville NY, Used to sell the Jinma's. Saw them at the Woodsman's Field days in Boonsville NY Aug of last year. Will be there in Aug this year. Don't see them on their Website now though. They did have one used for sale on there Website
Bolton Power Equipment in Bolton MA sells AG Boss [rebadged Jinmas] along with Koyker FEL's and Backhoe's. Good to deal with, bought my 2004 284 Tractor from him.
Both sell them fully assembled I believe, but go on their website and ask if they sell crate
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April 21, 2012
| bouoy
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Hello again,
Sorry I have been gone for a bit.I have become ill over time nothing to worry about. I'm still on the hunt for a good machine. I have lost my pace with what I wanted to go with. Thanks for the info. I will have to check with Bolton for the price of a crated one shipped. I'm on such a tight budget so far. I might be lucky if i can get a push mower..lol thanks again for the information. Is there any post about putting one together on this site or another so I can review it?

Thanks Gary
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April 21, 2012
| CTOA
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I always feel safer getting one already assembled and under some warranty too! No matter how budget minded, if it doesn't run because missing or damaged parts in a crate, well the savings won't matter.
Now, thats just my take on it…others will pipe in I am sure.
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April 22, 2012
| RichWaugh
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Gary,
I built my 304 Jinma from a crate and I recommend getting an assembled tractor from a dealer unless you're a good diesel mechanic with the tools and shop space. There's more to assembling one than just bolting stuff together. Setting up the clutch is tricky and critical, as the alignment, hydraulics, and the electrics are a whole other story.
I'd either get a good used one or buy new from a dealer if I was doing it again.
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April 22, 2012
| Tinbender
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I would buy a crate tractor again. But that being said, I've been a bodyman and mechanic my entire life and have customers willing to let me use a space in their shop. The bottom line I believe is this: Do you feel confident and comfortable taking this on?
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April 22, 2012
| bouoy
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I would like to go that route if i can afford to. I have the skills to do the work my self. Can you tell me the base price of the crate costs around.I starting to do a lot of concrete work and and back yard design. So I figure this will be cheaper then renting the equipment i would need. I saw maybe in the future I can get a china dozer but I have not found a source of them.. thanks again for your time.
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April 22, 2012
| Bob Rooks
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Several of the supporting dealers here sell the Yuchai dozer. Keno Tractor, and Circle-G Tractor to name a couple. You can also get them from Northern Tool under the NorTrac brand name. They are a little more pricey ($18k+) than a wheelie but then they can do work that wheelies can't without breaking a sweat.
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