Bob, the other day I read the national weather service prediction for fall/winter. They say there is going to be a split jet stream. Most of the moisture we normally get in fall and winter will be south of us. Their prediction covers all of WA, northern OR, northern, ID, and north western MT. For fall/winter they say that our temps will be above average and precipitation will be below average. I guess we have to wait and see if they are right.